25 July 2023: Dunn - B

Questions from core participants:

Was there an investigation into the newspaper leaks? She was not aware of one, but that would have been taken forward by the Cabinet Office. (Fox and chicken coop comes to mind.)

What are the main elements being used to come up with the leaked figures? She was not able to say but would get back to the Inquiry with that information.

On psychological support, will the research be made publicly available, and when? She expected it would be and was expected in August.

The research was understood to have been commissioned in 2022, but the need was highlighted in 2020. Why did it take so long to get to the point of commissioning the work? She said there was a process of “ongoing dialogue” after which it was decided that what was required was more ongoing dialogue. (That’s not exactly how it was phrased.)

The Chair referenced himself as having, on several occasions, expressed the hope that he can recognise how everyone in the UK, including England, was benefitting from psychological support where required. He wondered if he would be disappointed in that hope. She agreed to take that message back to the DHSC.

The witness wanted to leave a message to confirm that she sees “every effort” happening on “a daily basis” by Ministers and officials “to bring matters to a resolution as quickly as possible”. (But who’s idea of resolution, and who’s sense of quickly?)

The Chair said it had been “very useful” to hear what she had “been able to tell us”. (Which was about as generous as he could have been.)

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